Comments on: The free kidney donation dilemma http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/ Marcom - Marketing Communications :: PR/Marcom Pros Mentoring Students Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:03:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Bree http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-21476 Bree Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:03:47 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-21476 hi i beilive this is the correct thing to do because i have a left side kidney im am 14 years of age and it happens every night around 4pm till early hours in the morining the pain is unbeilable it would be like a knife stabbing into your back ive been drinking water for a while now only have a coffee a day and no achole what so ever if the kidney dosnt fix its self ill will have a acute kidney maybe could fix but if not i could be on a machanie to moderate them or even worse get it taking it out. once you kidney is taking out and you have only one left on your body youll never be able to drink achole and maybe coffee nothing sugary. just filtered water. which is sucked becuase i anit even 18 yet and there wont be a great time which i like it to go. my kiddneys have been going like this since new years i have taken 2 glasses of cowboy shake and 4 beers and then i had realised the next next i have serve pain i am scared i last night started crying and cuddling my cat outside and sooking to him becuase my parents will not take me to the docors they are too busy with their own lives. hi
i beilive this is the correct thing to do because i have a left side kidney im am 14 years of age and it happens every night around 4pm till early hours in the morining the pain is unbeilable it would be like a knife stabbing into your back ive been drinking water for a while now only have a coffee a day and no achole what so ever if the kidney dosnt fix its self ill will have a acute kidney maybe could fix but if not i could be on a machanie to moderate them or even worse get it taking it out. once you kidney is taking out and you have only one left on your body youll never be able to drink achole and maybe coffee nothing sugary. just filtered water. which is sucked becuase i anit even 18 yet and there wont be a great time which i like it to go. my kiddneys have been going like this since new years i have taken 2 glasses of cowboy shake and 4 beers and then i had realised the next next i have serve pain i am scared i last night started crying and cuddling my cat outside and sooking to him becuase my parents will not take me to the docors they are too busy with their own lives.

]]> By: Rachel M http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-5607 Rachel M Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:00:19 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-5607 The selling of human organs is quite the issue. Ethically and morally it seems wrong but unless you have been on that list waiting for an organ donor to save your life then you really do not know what you would do. What the NKF did was righteous but they are still faced with the fact that people are dying everyday waiting on a kidney. There are some people in this world that are greedy and do not want to give up their organs but maybe they would for money. Not saying that this is the right thing to do but if it is to save a life then everything possible must be done. The selling of human organs is quite the issue. Ethically and morally it seems wrong but unless you have been on that list waiting for an organ donor to save your life then you really do not know what you would do. What the NKF did was righteous but they are still faced with the fact that people are dying everyday waiting on a kidney. There are some people in this world that are greedy and do not want to give up their organs but maybe they would for money. Not saying that this is the right thing to do but if it is to save a life then everything possible must be done.

]]> By: Wade Cothran http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-5606 Wade Cothran Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:39:29 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-5606 Hi Allan. This has become quite an issue hasn't it? Obviously stem-cell research is the answer. We could HARVEST kidney's instead of waiting for donors, but that's an entirely different argument. I think innocent human life is one of the most sacred things on earth, and anything that can be done to save one is almost worth another. (I hope that makes sense) Being said, anything a prospective kidney donor could do to get his kidney into someone else should be done. As far as the "black market" is concerned; Would I buy a kidney on the black market to save a relaitve? Yes! Buy kidneys. Buy them by the dozen. They've already been taken so why not use them for something good, like saving lives. Sure, it might make a couple of bad people rich in the process, but I think it will be worth it in the long run. Think about it. We start buying up all the kidneys on the streets, the bad guys are going to need more kidneys. When they start stealing more kidneys, people get afraid and donate them to keep them from getting stolen. Problem solved. Hi Allan.

This has become quite an issue hasn’t it? Obviously stem-cell research is the answer. We could HARVEST kidney’s instead of waiting for donors, but that’s an entirely different argument.

I think innocent human life is one of the most sacred things on earth, and anything that can be done to save one is almost worth another. (I hope that makes sense) Being said, anything a prospective kidney donor could do to get his kidney into someone else should be done.

As far as the “black market” is concerned; Would I buy a kidney on the black market to save a relaitve? Yes! Buy kidneys. Buy them by the dozen. They’ve already been taken so why not use them for something good, like saving lives. Sure, it might make a couple of bad people rich in the process, but I think it will be worth it in the long run. Think about it. We start buying up all the kidneys on the streets, the bad guys are going to need more kidneys. When they start stealing more kidneys, people get afraid and donate them to keep them from getting stolen.

Problem solved.

]]> By: Rachel Dresher http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4949 Rachel Dresher Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:57:55 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4949 I will definitely have to say that the selling of human organs is a pretty disturbing issue. I am sure some people think it will increase the chances for there to be more organs available to patients. You made a good point that the majority of the people who are donating organs do it for the sympathy for the patients, and they do not care about being compensated. However, it is so sad that the majority of people waiting on these organs will die rather than get a successful transplant. Clearly, other options are going to be explored. Eventually, it may be that people do get paid for donating organs. In this society, it is evident that people will do anything for money so maybe there will be more people who decide to become organ donors if they are to be compensated. It is scary to think that this could lead to a black market in the U.S. for organs. This seems to be a very delicate subject with pros and cons for both sides. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future. I will definitely have to say that the selling of human organs is a pretty disturbing issue. I am sure some people think it will increase the chances for there to be more organs available to patients. You made a good point that the majority of the people who are donating organs do it for the sympathy for the patients, and they do not care about being compensated. However, it is so sad that the majority of people waiting on these organs will die rather than get a successful transplant. Clearly, other options are going to be explored. Eventually, it may be that people do get paid for donating organs. In this society, it is evident that people will do anything for money so maybe there will be more people who decide to become organ donors if they are to be compensated. It is scary to think that this could lead to a black market in the U.S. for organs. This seems to be a very delicate subject with pros and cons for both sides. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future.

]]> By: Danielle http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4837 Danielle Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:43:20 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4837 Hey Allan, Being a college student, and appropriately filling the stereo-type of a poor college student, once or twice my friends and I have joked about selling a kidney. But joking aside, it has become a real issue. I have to agree with USA Today that “demanding patience, when the price of delay is death, is no answer. It’s time to try new ideas.� But when it comes to an idea, I draw a blank. It seems inevitable that we will eventually be forced to pay for a needed organ. From the PR view, the NFK took a stand that I believe is a righteous one, depending on the morals of humans; hoping that they will donate. But they cannot escape the problem. People are dying every day because they don’t have enough time to wait for the occasional organ donor to die. A solution is needed. In my idealistic world, there would be no need for that because people would donate out of the kindness in their heart. People would realize that you don’t need your lungs when you’re dead, but some little girl with Cystic Fibrosis does. In my mind, donating an organ is the best gift you could ever give. Once you’ve past on, giving the gift of life to someone else… You’ve impacted someone else’s life more than you could ever do alive. But sadly, we do not live in my idealistic world. People do not see things the way I do. But when I die, someone may see with my eyes. Hey Allan,
Being a college student, and appropriately filling the stereo-type of a poor college student, once or twice my friends and I have joked about selling a kidney.
But joking aside, it has become a real issue. I have to agree with USA Today that “demanding patience, when the price of delay is death, is no answer. It’s time to try new ideas.� But when it comes to an idea, I draw a blank. It seems inevitable that we will eventually be forced to pay for a needed organ.
From the PR view, the NFK took a stand that I believe is a righteous one, depending on the morals of humans; hoping that they will donate. But they cannot escape the problem. People are dying every day because they don’t have enough time to wait for the occasional organ donor to die. A solution is needed.
In my idealistic world, there would be no need for that because people would donate out of the kindness in their heart. People would realize that you don’t need your lungs when you’re dead, but some little girl with Cystic Fibrosis does. In my mind, donating an organ is the best gift you could ever give. Once you’ve past on, giving the gift of life to someone else… You’ve impacted someone else’s life more than you could ever do alive.
But sadly, we do not live in my idealistic world. People do not see things the way I do. But when I die, someone may see with my eyes.

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]]> By: john http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4466 john Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:28:06 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4466 Federal Government employees qualify for two weeks paid leave if they donate an organ. (paid). A single mom working for most companies would have to handle the expenses of living while recovering from surgery. (free). Many people on dialysis fear getting a kidney because three years after the operation they must be able to afford $1k a month for drugs. Many people on dialysis qualify for diability they might lose if they were to receive a kidney. So the distinction of free and paid is complex as well as containing many variations of moral and ethical Federal Government employees qualify for two weeks paid leave if they donate an organ. (paid). A single mom working for most companies would have to handle the expenses of living while recovering from surgery. (free). Many people on dialysis fear getting a kidney because three years after the operation they must be able to afford $1k a month for drugs. Many people on dialysis qualify for diability they might lose if they were to receive a kidney. So the distinction of free and paid is complex as well as containing many variations of moral and ethical

]]> By: Tim Hicks http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4143 Tim Hicks Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:26:57 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4143 Science fiction author Larry Niven addressed this many years ago. I think he coined the term "organlegging" for the black market. He also introduced the idea that the punishment for certain crimes should be loss of an organ to the donor bank. Where the penalty was a kidney, for example, he was very clear that if the same criminal did the same crime again, the punishment would still be one kidney; now there's an incentive not to reoffend! Niven had this punishment applied at first only to major crimes, but of course as the demand for organs increased, ... Science fiction author Larry Niven addressed this many years ago. I think he coined the term “organlegging” for the black market. He also introduced the idea that the punishment for certain crimes should be loss of an organ to the donor bank. Where the penalty was a kidney, for example, he was very clear that if the same criminal did the same crime again, the punishment would still be one kidney; now there’s an incentive not to reoffend! Niven had this punishment applied at first only to major crimes, but of course as the demand for organs increased, …

]]> By: Allan Jenkins http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4089 Allan Jenkins Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:25:13 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4089 I'm surprised that so many of the commenters are walking into Postrel's argument: voluntary donors should NOT care if other donors are paid, if the ultimate result is more recipients getting kidneys. If "free" donors don't like it, why are they donating in the first place? Every donation, free or fee, adds to the supply. Here's where the NKF could speak out: We welcome every donated kidney. While we wholeheartedly support voluntary free organ donor programs, our only goal is to ensure that as many donated organs reach recipients as possible. If you were the NKF's spokesperson, and were asked "If you could save a relative by buying a kidney on the black market, would you?"... what do you say? If you are the NKF's PR person, you say "no", but that's a lie for most of us. I’m surprised that so many of the commenters are walking into Postrel’s argument: voluntary donors should NOT care if other donors are paid, if the ultimate result is more recipients getting kidneys. If “free” donors don’t like it, why are they donating in the first place? Every donation, free or fee, adds to the supply.

Here’s where the NKF could speak out: We welcome every donated kidney. While we wholeheartedly support voluntary free organ donor programs, our only goal is to ensure that as many donated organs reach recipients as possible.

If you were the NKF’s spokesperson, and were asked “If you could save a relative by buying a kidney on the black market, would you?”… what do you say? If you are the NKF’s PR person, you say “no”, but that’s a lie for most of us.

]]> By: Kristen http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4086 Kristen Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:28:23 +0000 http://www.marcomblog.com/2006/06/27/the-free-kidney-donation-dilemma/#comment-4086 Wow, this is a huge dilemma. First off, the NFK maybe apprehensive in regards to this topic, but shouldn't try to hide in the shadows. It makes them look weak and scared of what's going to happen. Second, trying to compensate money for organs is just crazy to me. As an organ donor myself, I don't understand why you would need some type of material in compensation. Giving the gift of life should be enough in itself. I love the feeling that if anything happened to me, I could still live on through others (hypothetically speaking). Our society is too caught up in money and materials...can't we just do things out of the pure joy of how it effects SOMEONE ELSE positively? I also thought of the commercials Ashley brought up. Doesn't anyone find it utterly sad that we have commercials that tell us to be kind to others?! Like giving someone an umbrella, whose car just broke down in 5 o'clock traffic! As for what to do, I am still not sure. Looking overseas is a pretty good idea! NFK should take a look at that. But people shouldn't be rewarded for doing good, it cheapens the whole deal. Wow, this is a huge dilemma. First off, the NFK maybe apprehensive in regards to this topic, but shouldn’t try to hide in the shadows. It makes them look weak and scared of what’s going to happen.

Second, trying to compensate money for organs is just crazy to me. As an organ donor myself, I don’t understand why you would need some type of material in compensation. Giving the gift of life should be enough in itself. I love the feeling that if anything happened to me, I could still live on through others (hypothetically speaking). Our society is too caught up in money and materials…can’t we just do things out of the pure joy of how it effects SOMEONE ELSE positively?

I also thought of the commercials Ashley brought up. Doesn’t anyone find it utterly sad that we have commercials that tell us to be kind to others?! Like giving someone an umbrella, whose car just broke down in 5 o’clock traffic!

As for what to do, I am still not sure. Looking overseas is a pretty good idea! NFK should take a look at that. But people shouldn’t be rewarded for doing good, it cheapens the whole deal.

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